Dennis Palumbo is unusual in Hollywood because he quit the "business" to practice
psychotherapy full-time. While working in show biz, he co-wrote the motion
picture "My Favorite Year" and was a staff writer for Welcome Back, Kotter. He
now writes books - both novels and non-fiction (including "Writing From the
Inside Out") - short stories, magazine articles, and more, while helping other
writers better understand themselves. His website is www.dennispalumbo.com, and
I can recommend it, his books, and him wholeheartedly. Fortunately for me, Mr.
Palumbo took some time out of his busy schedule for an interview.
1. What is your typical day like? Do you continue to make time for writing
every day, or do you consider yourself mostly a psychotherapist now?
I usually try to write 3-4 days a week, at lunch. I have a full practice from
9am to 6pm, with about 35-40 patients a week, so I'd say about 10% of my time is
devoted to writing now. I wish that I had a little more time to write, but I
don't miss show business at all. I was very lucky, and fairly successful, and
I'm grateful for what being in show business gave me, but I would rather be a
therapist and a prose writer. I just finished a novel and a proposal for a new
book, and I'm always writing short stories. I don't get the volume I had (in
sheer number of pages) when I was a full-time writer, of course, but I keep
writing as much as I can.
2. If you could take one thing from Pittsburgh and give it to LA, what would it
be? From LA to Pittsburgh?
From Pittsburgh to LA? The sense of community. My impression in growing up and
going to school there was that Pittsburgh was very communal; everyone you knew
was in the same neighborhood with everything you needed nearby. A family would
grow up in one place and their kids would grow up and buy the house next door.
LA is huge and spread out, and everything is fragmented. From LA to Pittsburgh:
I would make Pittsburghers more open-minded about lifestyles and choices. People
come to LA to reinvent themselves and the east coast, Pittsburgh included, is
more tradition-bound. However, one of the things that makes Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh, with its sense of community, is its cloistered attitude. These are
gross generalizations, of course!
3. What was the hardest part of getting in to the "business" as a newly
graduated Pitt student? What was easier than you expected?
The same things that are hard for everyone: getting my material read and finding
an agent. The difference for me was the education I received. The writing
department at Pitt was fabulous and they gave me a great foundation of skills.
In LA, there are big famous film schools with ties to studios, and they know all
about the industry and can get internships at the studios they're associated
with. But they don't teach you how to write! I got a really good storytelling
foundation at Pitt. As for things being easier than I expected, nothing was
easy. I started out as a stand-up comic and Gabe Kaplan, the star of Welcome
Back, Kotter came in and saw me and asked me to go on the road with him and write
material. From there, I got into writing for the TV show, and then for a feature
film. I was very lucky, with a helping of desperation! Ben Hogan said, though:
The harder I work, the luckier I get. Hard work and perseverance are what make
luck happen for you; if you work hard, you'll be luckier than if you don't.
4. I know that you are a fan of "whole person" writing - how do you feel being a
psychotherapist has affected your writing? Is it strange to work as a therapist
in LA when you come from Pittsburgh, where therapy is not at all widespread?
I feel my writing has deepened and is more connected to who I am, it's more
personally relevant. It is strange, yes, to work as a therapist! When I first
began therapy as a patient many years ago, I had resisted for years because I
thought only crazy people went to therapists. I went through a re-education as a
patient before I saw it as a viable option for a career. [Here I asked if it was
true that everyone in Hollywood has a therapist] Yes, everyone has a therapist
who can afford one, and a personal trainer, and maybe a psychic. There's such a
narcissistic attitude to people who work in Hollywood; yet, you can't be
successful without that narcissism. It is really hard to be out here and be an
artist, though, and therapy has saved people's lives.
5. Are you going to continue writing screenplays? If not, what's next? How are
writing screenplays and writing books/short stories/whatever different for you?
I am not writing screenplays anymore, no; I stopped when I became a therapist.
When I was at Pitt, I wanted to be a prose writer, a novelist. When I left show
business, I saw it as my opportunity to get back into writing prose. I did like
screenwriting, but it was so frustrating when what you were saying was altered or
deleted. As a prose writer, there are fewer filters between myself and my
reading audience; what I write is what they read, which is really amazing
compared to the Hollywood system.
6. Having been both a writer and a teacher, do you have a preference? Why? Has
one helped to enrich the other?
I prefer writing, although I did like teaching. I like the process of writing
more, and now that I have less time for it, I appreciate it more and it feels
more special. Teaching helped improve my writing, absolutely. We teach what we
need to learn, and critiquing other people's writing makes your own writing
better. I'm a big believer in writing as a craft: something that takes work and
study and knowledge of structure to get right. People undervalue craft when they
compare it to art. All of the writers and artists we admire wouldn't have a s
big an impact on us if they didn't have craft. I guess maybe that's part of my
Pittsburgh roots; I have a blue-collar approach to writing. It's all about hard
work. I don't have some lofty view of it, I think you should just sit down in
the chair and write!
7. What do you do when you are procrastinating or have writer's block? Do you
follow your own advice?
Yes, I do follow my own advice more now. I don't get that many blocks anymore,
of course, because I'm not writing as much. If I'm feeling blocked, I write
about feeling blocked! Anything that puts words on the page frees you from
procrastination or being stuck. I think that writers need to write their way out
of a problem. You can't read your way out, or think your way out; you just have
to write your way out!
8. What do you believe is the most difficult problem facing screenwriters (or
any kind of writer) today?
Probably, for screenwriters it's maintaining personal vision in a very commercial
marketplace. That might be true of all writers now; my clients tell me it's
getting harder to be a novelist or bookwriter now as well. It's always been
hard, of course. Artists have always had problems with their work, but art
always survives.
9. What advice would you like to give to young aspiring writers?
Write a lot and read a lot.
10. Is there anything you could suggest to help Pittsburgh build a stronger film
community? What would you have liked to see at Pitt when you were a student
here, knowing what you know now?
Definitely, Pittsburgh should maintain a connection with Pittsburgh natives in
Hollywood. And don't be afraid to build a community yourself and make films;
they make films in New York and Chicago and Texas, why not Pittsburgh? As for
Pitt, I had such a good experience, especially with the writing courses. I'd
like to see more experience with real editors and real agents, so students could
see how the system really works. Maybe an editor could come in and walk people
through the editing process; when I was a student, I believed that you just sent
the book to the publisher and they put it down on paper, which isn't what happens
at all. It would be useful for aspiring writers to have a deeper understanding
of all that.